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What Went Wrong in Bihar?

by Ravindra Kumar
October 10, 2005

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Bihar... the moment you utter this word at least to an Indian, you cannot help noticing the smirk on other's person face. 9 out of 10 times, it would be true. If you are a Bihari, you would know the feeling. No, its not my insecurities and shame that makes me feel so. Most of the times, it's blatantly there to ignore such smirk. You can at least feel the sense of inner happiness and relief that (s)he is not from that place...then invariably a comment or two about Biharis and Lalu Prasad would follow...

I happened to chat one otherwise pretty beautiful lass and things were looking pretty much encouraging to say the least. Such incidents have been far and very few to me, so if you are somewhat like me, you would know the feeling when such rare pleasant exceptions happen. The chat went on fine for quite sometime about all the useless things on the world, which both of us seemed to like and I was pretty much sure about asking her out again in a more formal way. Just before parting, she asked me, "by the way, where are you from?" I said, "Patna. It's a beautiful city of interesting contrasts. You would love to know about ..." and before I could finish myself, she said, "Patna se hatna nahin.. ha ha... Laluji kaise hain? Maine suna hai ki wahan pe logon bachpan mein pakad kar shaadi kar dete hain... maine suna hai ki wahan pe log gun lekar hi ghumte rehte hain...blah blah...blah..." Now that I am used to such (un)intentional fun, I laughed along, not sure of how and what to say. I guess I don't have to mention now that nothing further happened.

One of my good friends, which I would not name here, in IIT Bombay, was actually from Patna. Except for two years in 11th and 12th, he studied in Patna. His immediate family has always been in Patna and in fact, his dad is a very good surgeon in Patna. But whenever he used to introduce himself in IIT, he would always say he is from Delhi. Later on during our train ride back home for the winter vacation, I asked him about it and I said I feel offended when you lie, my friend. He very coolly said, "I feel I am taken lightly yaar if I said I am from Bihar". I didn't argue. I guess I didn't because somehow I could feel it may be somewhat true. You know we never talked about it but it left a lasting impression on me.

If something stupid happens once, you are surprised. If the same thing happens some more number of times, you feel angry. If it keeps on happening you learn to get used to it. IGNORE. IGNORE. IGNORE. Then, you become quite a thick-skinned that it doesn't affect you any more. So am I. When someone laughs at me, I feel little bit Jesus-like. Forgive Lord, (s)he doesn't know how much ignorant (s)he is about such a beautiful and historical place like Bihar. Now that I have spent most of my adulthood outside Bihar, I have come across these incidents too frequently. Most of my friends who are from Bihar have similar tales to tell. It always had made me wonder, "Why?" "How come such a beautiful and historical place, janmbhoomi of Buddhism and Jainism, karmbhoomi of first truly pan-India ruler Ashoka, Chanakya, Mahatma Gandhi, and JP in most recent past have become so much maligned that Bihari has become some sort of abuse in itself?" I really wonder and have always tried to find answers to these questions.

To me, Bihar is the most beautiful place and it always will be so. Being born in a village which is in the heart of Nalanda and Rajgir, I see myself as a part of such glorious and illustrious past that I feel humbled. My village is at a stone's throw distance from Pawapuri, the place where Lord Mahavira attained Nirvana and whenever I used to think about it, I used to feel so lucky that I am walking on the same place where once such a divine person used to spread the message of love, peace and humanity. Always the same pride and even today it's the same. Unfortunately when I get too nostalgic about it, I feel so much sorry about its current state of affairs that I feel an urge to quit everything, go back in my village and do something to improve at least my village. Being a son of that soil, I think its one of my responsibilities too. However, confronted by the wisdom of Vedas from my parents that my first responsibility is the well-being of family and then the social responsibility, I stop myself. For now. Probably later on sometime, I wouldn't stop myself and do something on the social level there. Surely not on political level. Since the days of Chanakya, politics is something every son and daughter of Bihar understands. So I would leave it in "supposedly" better hands and focus my two cents on social level. Every time, I have been called a Bihari, I have wished that one day I would see Bihar flourish in all walks of life. Alas! It has gone worse and worse. Hopefully before I breathe my last.

Being born there, having my immediate family there, having spent early 18 years of my life there and then spent so many years outside that place in IIT Bombay and US, I think I have been getting some ideas about how could be that. Here, I would like to read the opinion of fellow readers so that I can understand the true reasons.

 

Comments:
Anything bad can be said about any State. MP has its bandits, Punjab has its Khalistani elements, UP has its mulayam spot. Every kurta has its proverbial hole.

The point is, if you want to, you can scoff at anything under the sun! If people scoff at your connections to Bihar, then you should take it as if they are scoffing at you and not at Bihar! If they respected you, they would not do so.

In lieu of their rudeness, you can ask them how they would feel if someone from another country would ask them, "Are you from a Country where Roop Kanwar was burnt alive ? Are you from a country where brides were used as stove fuel in the Capital City? Are you from a country where millions of rupees are blown up in the name of religious festivities while people starve on the streets?

It is true that Lalu has rubbed excrement on the fate of Bihar, so why should you have to take a smirk for this?

Years ago a Bihari girl came to my university in the U.S. When asked which part of India she was from (and this is the first thing most Indians ask of each other), she looked uncomfortable and answered that she was from the Northeast. When asked if she was from Assam, she'd even look more uncomfortable and answer, "No, a little west of there."

The point is, we don't have to be like that. We are what we are. Apart from being good people ourselves and impressing the need to be good on other people from Bihar, we do not have any other obligation to correct the wrong that the ruffians are doing to Bihar. If someone gives me a spiel about "acting collectively" and "starting a revolution", I would ask him to save his breath. I have seen these harebrained suggestions since the time "The Indian Nation" and "Aryavart" used to be printed on yellow raglike paper using typeset flat presses, thirty years ago. Many Kishore Kunals, Randhir Varmas and Satyendra Dubeys have come and gone, but nothing has changed. Bihar has festered for centuries. Don't dream of fixing it in a decade. Our problem is a problem of image. This image (of which Laloo is a mascot) has become our face and has become a self-fulfilling prophecy for us. It has brought us the fate that such an image can bring to anyone - that of misfortune and ridicule. - Rakesh Chaubey - Oct. 11, 2005

If one wants to improve the condition of Bihar, one has to go there and work. No idea is needed. Take the example of Gandhi. He went to Champaran to help the peasants. - Satya Prasad - Oct. 11, 2005


I think for current situation of Bihar there are many historical reasons which can be talked about but I have come to a very nice conclusion and see if it helps you.

If somebody is hell bent on abusing you irrespective of whether you are from Bihar or Japan, he will find reasons and anything which makes you vulnerable will come handy. If I have to humiliate a Japanese then I will find this or that excuse to humiliate him, but first requirement is that I should have the desire to humiliate a Japanese (Fortunately I don’t have but if I had one you would have said I have a criminal mind). Similarly if I have to flatter someone then I will find some or other ground to do so. If you have to show disrespect to fellow human beings then trust me here or there you will find the ways and means to do so but you will have to have the mentality of showing disrespect to your fellow human beings. “Kacchua ko marna hai to palat ke maro.” However, you have to remember that not all the times these things are serious. For example, there is this always love and hate relationship between French and English, Yanks and English, Tamil and Telugu and so on. It is up to someone, as to how much he is offended by all this.

Do you believe that Bihar is Lalu Yadav, if no, then trust me nobody actually believes in this and if somebody is taking advantage of this, he is doing this just by his nature or he is raring to have a go with you. Bihar is too mighty to be reduced to one individual.

Development and industrialization are quite relative things, yes, Lalu Yadav ignored it and definitely people have started asking him tough questions about his betrayal but make no mistake, if someone is determined to abuse you, he will find your weak points, if not your state then how about your caste or color or your looks.

And just to conclude on happy note, one of the Bihari friends' wife is from Bombay and according to her, it seems she fell in love with my friend because she heard him talking to someone in Bihari and she liked the language so much that she started considering his case. - Raghu Yadav, London - Oct. 11, 2005


I have had similar experience on several occasions. My job requires constant customer interaction and every time I come across Indians the question is there “Where are you from in India?” Not once have I hesitated to say Bihar. Laloo Prasad land!

My response has been “actually he came much later. I am from Jai Prakash Narayan’s and Rajendra Babu’s Bihar. Are you familiar with them? No offense taken. - Rupam Prasad - Oct. 11, 2005


Thank you guys for your comments. My article was about the first impressions when you introduce yourselves. Just because I am from Bihar, I had to prove little bit extra of myself to earn the respect of peers and colleagues everywhere, particularly in India. In US, things have been little bit different. Indians here are comparatively more educated about most of the things and so it was "almost" a level playing field for everyone. Rakesh put it very well when he said that the problem is about the image and I think we have to live with that. I also agree with Satya that actions speak louder than words and since I was student in IIT Bombay, I have been trying to contribute in some NGOs whatever I could in a small way. In IIT, I was involved with CRY where my experience was soul satisfying. But after coming here, I tried to involve myself with an NGO (I wont name because I want to avoid useless arguments) whose focus was Bihar. I happily contributed since I joined work for more than a year and last month I happened to visit Patna on a vacation. Even though it was a short vacation, I made it a point to visit the NGO office in Patna, just to see the "great work" which they were supposedly doing and informing me about almost on daily basis. Lo and behold, the manager was very reluctant to talk in detail and kind of avoided me. Long story short, I felt as if like most other things that happen in Bihar, corruption was eating away it too. I was disappointed to the bottom of my heart. I mean how can you do something even if you want to do, when there are such fake NGOs looting money which are supposed to be for such good purposes. Also Satya, not everybody can try to do a Gandhi by leaving everything just like that when you have got your own compulsions to feed your family. Gandhi was a great man but I am just one of the normal persons. Do you mean to say that since I cannot do a Gandhi, shall I stop doing whatever I am sparing my two cents to make a small difference if possible. Shall I just shut up? - Ravindra Kumar - Oct. 11, 2005


Bihar was badly governed earlier too but the real degeneration has come in the last almost two decades of Laloo-Rabri raj. 20 years back the word "Bihari" was not an abuse. The reasons can be broadly listed as follows:

  • The other states were not very developed either and the stark contrast of today did not exist.
  • Bihar was not at the bottom of the list in terms of development. There were states of north-east which were lower than Bihar.
  • The society of Bihar was not so criminalised.
  • Politics was not the abode of criminals then. At least they did not hold political positions of influence then.
  • Laloo, who was the product of the JP movement and had raised his voice so frequently against corruption in the agitation days, had now shown the world how daringly and shamelessly scams could be planned and executed. Bihar in RJD rule became a scam ridden state.
  • The world had not seen the political maneuverings that brought Rabri Devi to power while the hubby went to jail.
  • Bihar had better "mascots" then. The world did not have the pleasure of watching the pranks of Laloo or hear the speeches of Rabri Devi.
  • The situation of Bihar was not so bad and so many migrant labourers had not migrated to other states creating a negative image of the state.

I have not drawn out a comprehensive list. Readers can go on adding to this list. While all other states are rising higher and higher Bihar continues to descend in an endless nosedive. Naturally the contrast is becoming greater by every passing day.

What clearly comes out from the list above is that RJD, under the leadership of Laloo and Rabri, has to take the blame for the humiliation Bihar and Biharis are subjected to. The question is whose cross are we shouldering? Why should we shoulder someone else's cross? The people who brought shame to Bihar and the literate, enlightened few who supported them for their own selfish interests have to take responsibility and worry about the entries being made under their name in God's books. They are directly responsible for the death of so many either due to starvation or at the hands of criminals. They will have to reap the consequences before they leave. There is no need for others to feel guilty or small.

We Biharis are the best brains in the world, let us proceed with life using it for the good of mankind. The only point is that we have to be guided by our conscience. If we are at peace with our own conscience we can live peacefully and happily. We are answerable only to God and it is His voice which comes from within. Keep this attitude and the people who scoff at you for being a Bihari will be left behind with an inferiority complex, looking as if they have swallowed a bumble bee.

One last suggestion to Ravindraji: a lass, even with Cleopatra's beauty, who is so indecent is far too inferior for a person of your brains and eloquence. I wish you all the luck in finding the right partner who is your intellectual match. - Rajesh Chaubey - Oct. 11, 2005


There is a difference in attitudes of people from different states.

In my lifetime of 23 years I have been to West Bengal, Delhi, Haryana, Gujarat, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, and Kerala.

I will say that people of Karnataka and Kerala are very mild and during my span of stay over there, I don’t remember anyone ridiculing me for being a Bihari. They treat us as their own. Only there is a language difference, but the people are very mild and good natured.

I was quite terrified while my visit to Tamil Nadu, as I had heard about their bad behaviour with North Indians, but found them quite helpful as well.

They are in general reserved in nature, but I still remember the incident when I forgot the address of a place, and even though no one understood what I asked, they tried their best to help me.

People in Gujarat and West Bengal are a bit sentimental and they believe that Bihar is a dangerous place. But if you talk to them for some time they also talk with you as you are one of their own.

Whole scenario changes when one visits Delhi or Haryana. Biharis are considered criminal over here. They easily recognize us by our accent and then their harsh behaviour starts. They feel that we are in some way inferior to them, and they have a false superiority complex in them. The visits to Delhi and Haryana were indeed painful, and I believe I won’t love to go back to those places again.

The moral of the story is that the discrimination of Biharis mostly occurs in the north-western parts of the country. - Avijeet Singh - Oct. 11, 2005


This so called anti-Bihari feeling is a motivated propaganda of BJP supporters from Bihar, who have so far proven intellectually bankrupt in providing alternative to Lalu Yadav. No body is having any feeling against Biharis, even Atal not Bihari, when visited Bihar said that he is a Bihari. Don’t read too much into this. It is BJP propaganda. Read Rajesh Chaubey’s comment and you will know why I am saying so. See how actively he is adding fuel to this, for many it may be considered anti-India activity. Don’t forget it was during BJP rule when Biharis were butchered and beaten. - Vipin Singh - Oct. 12, 2005


Vipin Singh Ji, thanks for your well thought out comment. I thought I had no political affiliations, however, as per you, if calling a spade a spade is BJP propaganda, then I discover I am a BJP man. Ok. Let us jog our brains a little. Here are a few questions for you...

  • Please name the least developed state of India.
  • Why are so many Biharis writing of shame and humiliation they are subjected to for being Biharis?
  • Why are they writing about others treating them badly on finding out they are Biharis?
  • Would there be shame and humiliation had Bihar developed like the other fast developing states of India?
  • Who has been ruling the state for the past almost 20 years?
  • Has the situation improved or worsened in this period?
  • Do the people in power owe any responsibility for Bihar's misfortunes? Bihar is a part of India. What is anti-Bihar is anti-India too.

As everyone realizes, things have not exactly been rosy for this unfortunate state.

Vipin Singh Ji, PD is not a forum for political maneuverings. Either ways, I do not think it can influence the opinion of the rural masses that really count. At least here we can speak the truth. I have nothing to do with any political party. Being a Bihari, I am just another well wisher of the state. I am not asking anyone to vote for this party or that. All political parties have their short-comings. I would not risk advocating any party to anyone. However, I would like it if a development oriented party comes to power and pulls Bihar out of the quagmire. Which party that is going to be remains the people's choice. The people of Bihar have reaped what they had sowed in the past and will continue to do so in future. People have to write their destiny. If we pump up a lot of adrenalin it is not going to change anything. Our opinions are not going to turn the tide and you know that. So we can relax and share our views honestly. - Rajesh Chaubey - Oct. 12, 2005


It is nice to see some action-provoking 'Readers Write' mail as a result of Mr. Ravindra Kumar's write up.

Many thanks to Mr. Ravindra Kumar and also to PatnaDaily.Com.

I would like to convey some of my immediate thoughts after reading the article. If I may, let me introduce my self. As my name indicates I am not a 'Bihari Bihari' ( I never mentioned this before because I do not believe in these 'narrow but perceived useful by some' classifications).

I was born in the Nalanda region of Bihar and studied in Patna got married to a Sikh lady (who is more of a Maharashtrian than a Punjabi) and we live in the UK. So I treat myself as a typical Indian {Multicultural, multi racial, multi-religious (with special attachment to my birth place)} on one level and as a member of the 'Vasudhaive Kutumbakam' on a global level.

I believe in the saying POWER BRINGS RESPONSIBILITY' and hence consciously feel 'guilty' of not doing enough for the place I originally belong to.

When one begins blaming it mostly begins with the other person. I do not believe it is just Bihar which pushed Bihar backwards in the last 20 years. It is the whole Indian politics we know which party has been supporting the current political power base in Bihar for almost two decades. Also it is our most revered caste system which has a lot to do with the state we are in in Bihar, was made not by the under-privileged but by the misinterpretation and misuse of the Karm-based Varnashram system. We can not deny the existence of power sharing divisions in society in any part of the world but what surprises me is the continuation of an age old ineffective system in once one of the most educated states in India. From Nalanda University to Patna University Bihar has been the seat of knowledge. How come then an old power sharing system like caste system survived?

I agree, Lalu ji is responsible for the deterioration of law and order, education and health systems in Bihar. But what are we the other Biharis doing in Bihar? As Ravindra said it was Bihar that produced Buddha Mahavir, Ashok, Chanakya, Rajendra Prasad, JP, and I add Karpoori Thakur and many others also.

As I understand, writing in a newspaper or a 'viewspaper' is expression of feelings and ideas and it usually results in opinion formation and collective action. May I suggest, though, we have done this for almost 7 or 8 years through PatnaDaily.Com. And now there seems like a 'threshold-breaking' wish of the reader-writers to begin some practical action for change.

Like Ravindra Kumar, I have also sent some money to one of my known persons. He was initially not willing to do it as he said doing 'charity' ( I hate this word but use it as I cant find any better word Perhaps Seva may be a better word). He said charity means cheating and people call you 'chor'. This is the state of people who want to do something good. He also told me there would be a 'Rangdaar' coming to take the money he had if people knew the money was coming from NRIs.

I had to convince him by saying that we cant wait until things get better or if we had more money or Bihar is too bad for doing any nice work. We decided not to publicise the work we were doing, Tangible goals were set and one year down the line we have not been able to do much in real terms. One of the main reason was he got engaged in a jog that demands his time from 9 am to 9 pm. We are trying to find alternatives.

I feel frustrated. Think of the phrase learn from our mistakes. And I decided to do something else.

Big helping organisations like Hungersite.com, Oxfam, Christian Aid, Make Poverty History to name a few have business managers qualified from top business schools. These companies spend up to 17-22 percent in the administration costs. Can we then have some people who could be paid for the work they put in for our work of helping out from complete altruistic domain? Our suffering in Bihar is real, it needs more than altruism. We have robust intellectual resources that makes our feelings helplessness even worst.

I have talked to our professional friends here and we are trying to get out of the mould of free 'Eye Camps' which needs major resources. Small works like distributing leaflets about common diseases their prevention and primary management, citizenship related leaflets mentioning not only rights and duties but also 'power and responsibility' issues, mini school fostering projects i.e. giving some books, pencils copies to the schools (there are chances of those things going back to the shops but one has to do something). Leaflets about 'successful projects' happening in India, stories of athletes, boys and girls, of India and abroad who thrived in very poor surroundings, distributing footballs, cricket bats, (if we have insufficient money we may hand it out by picking names of children from a school from a hat) etcetera. Also, as I am writing now we may also get some volunteer children to think about doing some work for their less privileged school mates.

I am sure readers would have many more ideas. Problem is how does one start them and maintains the momentum?

May I suggest to our readers to perhaps have a 'Virtual Team' of like minded people to take this work forward?

Deepawali and Eid Greetings to all our readers.

I can be contacted atthis email address.  - Ajay Kapoor - Oct.12, 2005


Rajesh ji, I wouldn't waste my time trying to argue with Mr. Vipin Singh. He knows he is way off-base but being a typical leftist brainwashed protégé of a certain party who scoffs at the word 'development' every time it is mentioned, he will continue to defend his leader in the name of caste or religion. His party has long been trying to suppress the free voice of press by hiding behind the shield of backwards and Muslims and that's what he is trying to do here at PatnaDaily.Com by attempting to label you as anti-national. People of Bihar know who is the real anti-national whether Mr. Singh admits it or not. Hasn't he ever heard of a certain leader from Siwan who has been hand in glove with Pakistani terrorists and who is a certified absconder now? Apparently not. - Anil Kumar - Oct.12, 2005


Interesting comments!

I am a Bihari from Patna and I don’t remember lying to someone as to who I am and where I from am. That is the lowest thing a person can do. My wife is Italian and I have been in American for the past 10 years. My father in law (an ex-diplomat) has traveled to India long before I met my wife and really likes the place. Varanasi being his favorite city. He never made it to Bihar but with the kind of knowledge and education he has, I can bet he knows the situation very well there. My wife knows a lot about Bihar too and she enjoyed her visit to Patna last year. I have never felt threatened because I am from Bihar. Yes, I have met people (all Indians) who frown upon the fact that I am from Bihar. I try to educate them that there are criminal elements present in the govt. there and that it does not represent what Bihar is or what Biharis are about.

Our duty as Biharis is not to hide behind other identities but rather clarify our position as to who we are and who we aspire to be. I have friends working in Canada, Muscat, Turkey and many places and they are all from Patna. I am proud to be a Patna'ite and I will mention it every time I have the opportunity. If people have created a formula that Lalu Prasad = Bihar then we should also remind them that Mulayam = U.P. and many other illiterate chief ministers and civil servants who are running the country. This sort of thing happens everywhere. Does George Bush = USA = Bill Gates. Obviously not. If this is how people will start thinking then:

German = Nazis = Germans, Italy = Fascists = Italians, Japan = Aggressors = Japanese, Sikhs = Murders of Indira Gandhi and on and on. This is called marginal thinking.

People need to be much open minded to grasp the Bihari identity. It is not the fault of Biharis when they are looked down upon but rather the people who put them down because they have a very limited point of view and idea of what Bihar is. Yes, Bihar is in deep trouble but I don’t know if finger pointing, blame game and insulting fellow countrymen will help anyone. However, Indians are typical of putting down people from other states and cities. Being Bihari has become a curse, an abuse these days but what we need is a strong and honest leader, and I believe in my heart that our best days are still ahead of us. For the time being, we need to be strong psychologically to overcome the Bihari abuse all over the country. - Aamir, New York - Oct. 13, 2005


Reading this massive list of comments on such well written article I could not resist my temptation of adding one to the list. First things first, I live in UK for past 3 years now and I have never once felt uncomfortable in introducing me as a Bihari. However, I must admit that the reaction is typical. Some say - "Oh! from the most corrupt state", "Lalu's land", "law-less state", "bottom of the pit state". I tried initially defending it but when I lost on explaining one good feature of Bihar I gave up. Patna is my home, my grandparents home, how can I not like it?

What's the point? Like many of the commentators above I studied in Bihar and left. What progress did I bring to Bihar? Nothing. I am glad that people have accepted the fact and they are not ashamed of being "Bihari". But have any of you ever thought what can be done for Bihar? I did not want to start my lecture here. I just feel a bit frustrated with the situation and helplessness from my part. I have tried and my parents (grandparents) have as well. My granddad runs two girls schools in a remote village in Bihar. My Dad works for a Charity hospital (all days of the week).

On my part, I have donated books, money and clothes to a lot of schools in Bihar. I also once planned a educational project on Bihar with a NGO from London. One of the contributors to the fund asked me why would I choose Bihar and not Delhi, Mumbai or Bangalore. I said it really needs help from us. The outcome, he was not willing to take risk with the lawless state and the project was cancelled. No, I haven't given up. I am still trying.

My suggestions to everyone is that next when you go to Bihar, please think what you can do to help. I know it is corrupt and no one would like to put their effort when nothing positive happens. I also would not like to indulge into the political blame game of this party or that. Let me clarify before people bombard PATNA DAILY with mails: I DO NOT belong to any party. But someone has to turn this table around. Everyone know how much Lalu + Rabri has given to that state for past 10 years. I do not know if any party can bring us out from this or not. At least, when you go for voting don't repeat the same mistake. - Lastly, do something. - CD, London- Oct. 14, 2005


While I understand the sentiments of Mr. CD of London and appreciate his concerns, I don't think he realizes to what extent our state has been damaged by our leaders in the last 15-20 years.

Everyone wants to help his or her state, particularly those who are away from Bihar. CD is not alone. He asks, "Have any of you ever thought what can be done for Bihar? The answer is YES! Most of us have done something or at least tried to do something for Bihar and in the end gave up for a number of reasons that are too complex to list here.

I have been reading such comments in PatnaDaily.Com since the Readers Write section was introduced a few years ago by the good people of PatnaDaily. These discussions have cropped up several times and many people have said that they tried to do something (tying up with the NGOs to help poor people in Bihar, donating books, setting up schools, helping one child at a time, etc.) but then, in the end, had to quit for one reason or another. Mr. CD is not the only one who is trying, or has tried, to make Bihar a better place despite the nefarious ploys of our leaders to keep Bihar backward and uneducated so they could rule them without being challenged or questioned.

The harsh reality is that though young men like CD have unbound enthusiasm just like some of us did 15-20 years ago, this euphoric sense of 'we must do something for our state' doesn't last for too long. I have seen it happening over and over again. Once we were also burning with desire to help our state in any which way possible but soon we realized that it takes two to tango. We all know what Kennedy said about "Ask not what the country can do for you..." but this idealist mentality doesn't quite work in today's Bihar. The fact is, today's Bihar is not '60s America when Mr. Kennedy made that historical statement. With a system like what we have in our once great state, it is just a matter of time before CD will also realize what he is up against.

You can try all you can and have a wishful thinking about your state like the rest of us but as long as criminals rule the state, you and I cannot do anything for our motherland. Sad? Yes. True? Also yes.

Sorry if I sound too negative but that is today's Bihar. Put a government in state, and I don't care what party is it, that truly cares about Bihar and its overall development and you will see thousands of NRIs will be the first ones to open up their wallets and invest in our state. With a criminal and corrupt government in place, expecting that a handful of charity work will do magic for the state, I think it's simply too utopian.

I can see people saying, "That's a wrong attitude; you can't give up on Bihar like this," etc. etc. but we can't run away from harsh realities. We all have families to support, jobs to do, and no one wants to end up like Satyendra Dubey.

To answer the question of this debate "What went wrong with Bihar?", one can blame the pre-Lalu government all they want but the fact is, it was Mr. Laloo Yadav who occupied power for almost 20 years in Bihar and under his regime criminals were emboldened and not the poor and backwards that he claims to have given voice to. Laloo Yadav made crime legitimate in the name of social justice; he single-handedly turned Bihar into a fodder (no pun intended) of jokes and ridicule putting rest of us Biharis in an eternal state of shame. No ifs, buts, or ands about it. - Aninda Bose, an NRI and a native of Patna, - Oct. 14, 2005


We all agree here that Bihar is sick and needs medication. But we also see a common thread among all the people who have commented here. We are fairly educated; I see a professor, an IIT graduate, professionals and myself having 2 masters degrees, from Mumbai and USA.

The question is, being a democracy, why do we elect people who harm the state (I am talking across party lines; Bihar has had the misfortune of having useless leaders more than 2 decades)? Elections in Bihar have seldom been totally fair but it is still not possible to come to power without mass support. That is where the schism lies. We have a section that understands economic indicators and human development index to make an informed decision. Sadly, there’s another section (a large one) that is totally oblivious to these parameters. They are more like frogs in a well that have no outside perspective. So it boils down to electing leaders based on caste lines.

Ultimately, the reason is very basic : Education. Most politicians sing paeans about necessity of education but make sure that the masses remain ignorant because their survival is based on the voters’ ignorance.

A very learned professor of Patna University once told me, “I am hopeful about Bihar because it has reached its nadir and the only way to go is up”. That was 6 years ago. Sadly, he was wrong. Perhaps, that was not the nadir. Maybe there’s a level even lower. Civil strife, maybe? Will the tag “Wild West of the East” become a self fulfilling prophecy? - Prasoon Sinha, USA - Oct. 14, 2005


It was interesting to read the original article and reactions of many respondents. Ravindra Kumar was lamenting that he couldn't get any further with the girl because of his dark past. Seems as if there are two main categories of people in this thread:

Those afraid to reveal their birth places because of negative associations, and those in-your-face-Patna, so-what-are-you-going-to-do-about-it types. These are reactions to external factor, parochial, indicators of insecurities.

When did Gandhi feel compelled to admit to his origins?

But this behavior is not typical to us Biharis alone. All ethnic groups feel that way. I know Marathis who are apologetic about who they are, and there are Bengalis, Tamilians, Gujaratis, and hundreds of ethnic groups all over the world uncomfortably conscious of their roots. Who we are is not a parameter of where we are from, but many factors. The further we are from letting a place define us, the further along we are in personal growth and journeys. Of course, that applies to our body types, color, gender, and age as well. We must not let any of these define us.
So, Ravindra Kumar, if your encounter with the girl was less than perfect, take heart! I am sure someone will come along soon who will see more than Patna in you, and let you sweep her off her dainty feet. - Suresh Mishra, New York - Oct. 15, 2005


One of the main reasons for politicians to come to power is the criminal elements involved. I am young born in 78 but I believe that things were not as bad as they are now. Most criminals or muscle men run for political offices in Bihar because they have the ability to loot booths and make sure that their victory is guaranteed. To top that, there are lower class Muslims, Dalits, Kumhars, and Yadavs and many more who think that Laloo Yadav is the new messiah who will help them get somewhere.

I strongly believe that Laloo Prasad has put more gundas in politics in RJD party than Congress and CPI combined in the past 20 years I remember. Not only did he bring these gundas to politics but these people are low class and illiterate who have no connection with common person on the streets of Bihar. In the meantime, most Yadavs were dancing in the streets because their man (Laloo) was in the CM’s chair. Bihar indeed is a bizarre place where people have simply declined to wake up and take actions. We have become corrupt and we encourage corruption. In fact, we make excuses (lenge nahin do denge kaise) to give and take bribes. Whether by mistake or on purpose, we pass on these corrupt practices to our children who also learn to embrace and live in this culture. How can we ask our leaders to do what most of Biharis are not doing? Refuse to pay any bribe, report incident to police, approach news media for exposé and make sure your kids don’t lose the sight of hard work and justice. I actually met an Indian woman in the United States who was proud of her husband’s political ties and so on. She knew it damn well that her husband was taking bribes and that was the only reason that she was living a comfortable life in India. Her husband came to America to find a better way of living and was working very hard to get by on a daily basis. This woman did not appreciate it and she demanded he take her back to India and come back with her. Her husband told me privately that I will have to do all illegal things in India to get by on daily basis. In America, I have an honest chance at life but my wife wants it the other way. The point: we as Indians have become so corrupt that we are willing to sacrifice every value that we read about in books. We are hypocrites who hold other people to higher moral standards but have different sets of standards for our children and ourselves.

The situation of Bihar is miserable and will remain miserable until a visionary leader is elected. That leader must first put law and order in the state because without it, no one will invest a dime in Bihar and I am talking about the Indian companies let alone foreign investments. Putting law and order I believe, will be the biggest challenge because last time I checked no Cm will do it since they have gunda ties themselves and that’s how they came to power.

In this world of technology and globalization, Rabri and Lalu are laughing stocks of not only the country but also the generations that reside outside India. To analyze the effects of globalization, Bihar needs a good leader with solid political and economic education and I can assure you that the answer is not Laloo Prasad or anyone in my sight on the Bihar political scene. These people don’t even know where the world has already reached. One does not needs to go too far. You can travel to Middle East or Singapore and you will see that people are using things that are not even available in India. Strong leadership is badly needed in Bihar and without it; I highly discourage investing any money in the state. That will be lethal and Bihar will go under more and more debt since the money will never channel to the intended cause. I am sure many of you have witnessed this numerous times and will partially agree with me. - Aamir, New York (Patna) - Oct. 15, 2005

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