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Disturbing Trend on PD

by Ravi Pandey

April 25, 2006

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When few uneducated or poor people get together they help or support each other. When two rich and learned people get together they use all energy in showing others down. A thief will support other thief wholeheartedly so that both can survive. But a scientist will work tooth and nail to prove that theory of other scientist is wrong.

In last few months I have seen this disturbing trend on PatnaDaily. And I don't know if everyone else is feeling but I can sense that these things are taking heavy toll. Numbers of articles, comments and activity seems like reduced considerably.

Readers are becoming so offensive and most of the time without any real reason that they almost stop thought process of writers. On top of that policy of PatnaDaily editors to filter article is adding insult to injury.

It seems everyone has serious problem with something or other. People get frustrated by Bihar vikas, comparing India with America, some comments about institution, a line of comment about a religion, a genuine advice to help travelers and many more things. Also when they do get frustrated they don't stop by few line of simple protest comment. They write whole Mahabharat and use all their literature skill and energy to analyze each and every word of writer, sometime take things out of context, blow it out of proportion, doubt intention of writers, go back to old article and old events of authors and while doing all these don't forget even for a second that they are most enlightened people on earth.

"Lose debate or lose friend", I think everybody has heard again and again. And here we are losing friends because nobody wants to lose debate.

Agreement and disagreement are normal. However, it should not increase to the extent that it start affecting day to day life. Just like wife and husband fight in family but avoiding situation of divorce is essential.

And yes why I am preaching this? Because I believe that everyone, yes everyone, is a friend here; no one is enemy. I had suffered worst personal attack against me in history of PatnaDaily however I did not believe even for a second that anyone is here to bash me or attack me. End of the day what is happening, I am here everyday and those same people who attacked are probably reading my articles today.

To bring participation, life and activity back I would suggest some measures which should be taken immediately.

1. PatnaDaily should stop filtering article unless it has some really volatile content. Article criticizing a political party, political figure, comment about an institution, comparing Bihar with Andhra Pradesh or IIT with MIT, article about reservation, article highlighting failure and bad points of India or Bihar are all valid issues. An article about religion or casteism is valid also as long it is written without some vindication and PatnaDaily editor feels it is in good taste.

2. All readers, you will not like everything written here. Actually it is important to know things and point of view of others. Most of the time there is no right or wrong view it is only a different view. If something is offending you, you are justified in sending a brief comment however please keep in mind that this is view of a "ONE SINGLE" person .

3. Never dig "Gare Murde". If a author wrote an article six months back about something you like or did not like please don't dig that now. Discussion and comment should only be focused on current article in current context.

4. Participate! Our participation was very high few months back. A lots of activity means people are enjoying and finding interesting stuff whether they agree or not. We must increase participation by writing article and comments.

5. There is no "Nindak" or "Basher" as such on this site. I don't think anybody is coming here with intention to bash anyone. Bashing or praise is for your views and not yours.

6. If you are writing comment in protest then restrict size of that. If original article was 10 lines and protest comment is 3 page it simply means that somebody is doing "Baal ki khal". Author might have just used a punch line to solidify his position but you go all the way for "chidranveshan".

Comments:
Absolutely no enemies on PD. We are all friends here. A little friendly bashing never did anyone any harm, did it? Bashing is closer to LOVE than HATE. To top it all remember "Nindak niyare raakhiye..." A little logical ninda can show ones actions from a different perspective. If it is logical and shows a different perspective, a comment must be published. Ninda should not be only for the sake of ninda and bashing should not be only for the sake of bashing. PD is a public place and we must respect peoples' sensitivities and their logic.

If you look back I have been in the eye of storms too here on PD. However, I always welcomed the other points of view and tried to respond logically to it. At times it was a learning process for me. However, apart from articles with abusive language, I have welcomed all points of view. I never requested people not to respond or to respond briefly if they were not singing my tune. I have respected for my nindaks who were logical. There was Shri Vipin Singh who always held a diametrically opposite opinion from mine. We had many debates and arguments. He tried to be logical and to support his logic with examples. He had his point of view which I did not accept and I had mine which he did not accept. He was never abusive nor was I. Our debates often remained unresolved. It was only later that he disclosed that he was a student in Patna. Wonder where he is these days.

I strongly feel so long as we are logical and have respect for each other's sensitivities the forum will be healthy. We must aim at positive, quality participation and not just participation with some skewed, critical or biased logic aimed at some cheap bashing of someone or a group. That way we are not elevating the forum, we are reducing it's quality. Above all we must not try to modify the rules of the forum to suit ourselves. The editor knows what is healthy for the forum. He balances the discussions as he is an unbiased referee. Let us not preach him too. - Rajesh Chaubey - Apr. 26, 2006

On PD forum everyone feels it is their inherent right to discuss others views. If according to their personal views they feel they are right then our reader brothers don't take even a minute to cut somebody's ideas and thoughts into pieces. According to many of our writer friends they feel that they are the best among everyone so they don't lose even a slightest chance to condemn others view point. I think this is democracy......Right friends? - Seema Jyotishi - Apr. 26, 2006


Everyone has a serious problem with one thing or the other. And some may have problem with everyone because everyone has a serious problem with one thing or the other. No problem, but. Not everyone has a problem with everyone else because everyone has a serious problem with one thing or the other. Stop this “baal ki khaal”, will you?

May I request the authors of PD to write articles of at least 6 pages? I don’t have much work here and I enjoy writing long comments.

Lose debate or Lose friends? Which debate, my friend? - Kumod Jha - Apr. 26, 2006


There are vicious dogs on that dark street. If you try to cross at a walking pace (that's the rule), they come out from behind the garbage cans thirsty for blood. They attack you because it is their gut reaction. If a puppy is kicked, it grows up to be a mean dog. As you freeze in terror watching their slobbering jaws moments before they sink their fangs in your flesh, you see that they are taking out their frustrations about either being a black dog harassed by other brown dogs or a brown dogs harassed by other black dogs. There are dogs that are frustrated of having to live on the street and even though they may be a cur behind a garbage can, they claim exclusive ownership of the street. And how dare you, a dog from another street, go through it ?! Some will bite you if you talk of anything but issues pertaining to the gali (street). On top of it all, there are also those dogs who bite you to beat boredom or due to sheer force of habit. It seems is easier to bark than to purr.

I have been mauled crossing the street and I, too, have done the role of the dog barreling out of the shadows behind someone crossing the street. I sank my fangs on those who dished out tomes of impractical advice - meaningless white noise to me - elephant excrement - large in bulk, poorly digested and of no use for anything. But then, I found out that instead of attacking such viewpoints, I should just keep look the other way. I have stopped being the dog for a long time now. I cross the 'andheri gali' (dark street) only rarely these days. I just watch others more courageous than me attempting to cross. Rather than imposing rules on those trying to cross the street, it is the dogs that should be collared and chained. Maybe then some more folks will attempt to cross the road. Or else, the gali will soon become sunsaan (desolate).

Hey! Do I hear barking?!!! Let me run for my life!!! See you guys later (hopefully). - Aarcee - Apr. 26, 2006


No need even to cross that dark street or the guli. People get attacked even as they sit minding their own business at home. Indians, NRIs, IITians etc. etc. were attacked for reasons best known to the attackers. Poor fellows were attacked inside their homes.

In fact the article "Friendly Bashing" was aimed at painting bashing each other in a good acceptable light so that we continue to corner people or groups on this forum and bash them. In the remotest villages where electricity has not reached yet people can execute tricks to make foolish husbands fight with their wives. Then the village sits watching the entertainment program with no commercial breaks and they have something to talk about for a month. Then a new victim is selected and a new plot is hatched. Do we intend to do the same here on PD to keep ourselves entertained? Was the IIT thing great to look at? Does it show this website has intellectuals reading it? - Rajesh Chaubey - Apr. 26, 2006


Editor's Note: Through this message, we want you and everyone else to know that we are NOT censoring or excluding any letter that is sent to us. In the entire history of Readers Write forum, we may have excluded no more than 7-10 articles and banned no more than 3-4 people for sending incendiary messages and attempting to dupe us.

We think we have been very fair in giving voice to people from all walks, backgrounds, castes, religion, or political leanings.

There are only a few occasions on which we have rejected an article. Here are some of the factors that may result in the exclusion of one's article or response to an article:

1. Your article is simply not understandable. Too complex, too grammatically incorrect, too incoherent.

2. Your intention is clearly to offend or deceive someone.

3. When we know for sure that we are being taken for a ride. We don't like being used as a platform to promote personal or political agendas. Like most of you, we can also see through the hidden game plans of certain people.

4. When you use vulgar terms or expletives to make your point.

5. When you want us to pass your note to CM/DM/PM etc. We are not a courier service. If you want to write to the CM, send it directly to him - not through us. Such articles usually are ignored by us.

6. Your article is simply not relevant to this web site. There are millions of web sites that cater to everyone's need. PD is not one of them. We have a niche demography and we don't expect people from Iran or Russia or even Maharashtra or Gujarat, for that matter, to visit our web site unless they happen to be Bihari expatriates. So to discuss the politics of Iran or Russia and how George Bush is playing his cards in the Middle East is irrelevant to us. There are web sites of national level where you can discuss these subjects freely and with much greater participation.

Please understand that we are not saying that these topics are meaningless; all we are saying is PD is not the right platform to have such discussions.

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There are some other restrictions as well, like dealing with plagiarism but in spite of all these 'don'ts', please understand that we have not started to censor or filter messages left and right as you have come to believe. If we did, the last debate on IIT (remember that one?) would never have taken place on PD.

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Please don't judge us only by what you see on this site. There are a lot more things going on in the background that you folks are not aware of, nor we feel obligated to tell you. Just trust us on this one.

Hope this clarifies our stand and our policies on sending articles to PatnaDaily.Com.

Finally, please let me take this opportunity to make some suggestions, if you will:

1. While you are free to discuss on a wide range of topics, don't be stuck only on reservation and caste issues. There are many other interesting topics to discuss but it seems like we all come back to only these two issues that plague India and Bihar.

2. Don't start a different thread under a different name on a similar ongoing topic.

3. There are links at the bottom of each Readers Write page that should be used to send replies to that particular topic. A lot of time you send your replies by going on the Contact page and filling out the form which leaves us wondering what article you are responding to. If you use the reply link at the bottom of the page, it puts appropriate title in the subject line making our job much easier while eliminating any chance of confusion.

4. Please try to keep your arguments brief.

We hope this clarifies our stand and from here onward we will be engaging in only healthy, interesting discussions.

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