Dear Ravi,

Your plan is great! And I think if you are confident of executing such project please go ahead and take loans from Bank or by any other means in your capacity, deliver results and then if you want to expand it, you may talk to NRB's on the basis of your experience and expertise on the same. And then whoever will have interest in such endeavour, will definitely come out to help you or to work with you.

But, please do not think this as a Litmus test for NRBs. There are lot of NRBs who have been doing things for Bihar and Bihari on his own capacity. There are some groups as well (say Biharbrains, Bangalore Bihari, etc.) who have been active in these. But please understand one thing, every individual who has earned money with hard work want to invest in those things which satisfies him/her. There has been a lot of NGOs working in Bihar who collect money in the name of development of Bihar but where the money goes nobody knows. So, people are more careful in investing in any venture.

I am not doubting your ability or any problem with you as an individual. But please understand the problems. But once you have executed your plan you can talk to people with confidence and you will find a lot of people interesting in similar stuff. - Avinash Jha – Jan. 27, 2006

Dear PatnaDaily Readers

Every time NRIS from all over the world plan to work and help Bihar, we back out because the plan which is submitted to us for the welfare of the state of Bihar and the Bihari community is in fact non-realistic and it is more the benefit of the organisers than the actually people for whom the project is actually launched. In fact the orgnaisers benefit 60 percent and the rest 40 percent reaches the needy. This is one reason why Bihar is still backward. Look at the Animal Husbandry scam the money was withdrawn for the cattle and we all know who actually got it.

Here, our friend Pandey Babu is again giving us a Govt tender by coming up with a imaginary prices. Rs 2 Lakhs for furniture for keeping 10 or 20 computers??? I guess Bihar has become more expensive then USA. Then Pandey Babu is again asking Rs 40,000 for each computer when HCL is giving the best computer for Rs 29,000 unless Panday Babu wants the institute to be also used for watching multimedia and Aishwarya Rai and Malika Sherawats movies. When institutional purchase is done in bulk the prices go down that's the law and practice of economics and trade. I would not like to further breakdown the prices of what Pandey Babu has come up with.

However Pandey Babu the proposed computer center should be to help any student who is economically poor and please do not enforce your Mandal commission in this institute. Does Laloojis kids needs reservation or a poor Jhaji from any remote village in Darbhanga needs reservation??? The criteria should be economically backward no caste and Mandal comandal politics here. I think we Biharis should give up this reservation and go in broader sense and help all those who need rather then any division on caste.

Respected Pandey Babu please be more realistic when u use the word NGO and NON profit organisation. Your proposition is the opposite of the above.

Money can be transferred to India from any part of the world in 24 hours for a genuine cause but we all need to verify the genuineness of the proposal. I am sure there are Biharis all over India who can donate generously for helping Bihar and are waiting for right direction but the call for help should be more realistic and genuine rather then a extortion plan as we are shocked to read here.

Also lastly Pandey Babu, please keep politics away from the temple of learning. I was kind of surprised the way you have written the proposal as no one will be kidnapped and Nitishji will not have problem and all that. Business means strictly business Pandey Babu. Thank you for time - Ashotosh Singh, London University, UK. – Jan. 27, 2006

The article "Here is My Plan" by Mr. Pandey is a good plan of his own development rather then the development of Bihar. What a Holy Plan?? I won't say anything further. - Shashi Jha, Patna – Jan. 27, 2006

A very good practical approach and we should appreciate this. - Bhanu Prakash – Jan. 27, 2006

Not a very novel idea but definitely a right step to think of. I am all for it! Finance should not be a problem; it is the execution of the plan and day-to-day operations with integrity where the challenges lie. I would wait to hear more from others. – Ajay Kumar – Jan. 27, 2006

I think this forum should not carry articles like the one we have read "Here is my plan by Ravi Pandey". This article is only directed towards the author's personal business interest". Anyways I am writing my opinion and hope it gets published.

PatnaDaily is a web portal to keep informed about Patna news and events and views on issues in Bihar. I think this is the best source of information for the Biharis abroad. I am surprised and shocked to read your plan, which i fear might involve even the PATNADAILY into some scam like that of Animal husbandry , where funds sanctioned for other purposes was siphoned off for personal benefits of the few politicians not to be named here.

Your plan is just out of the box and seems more like a govt whitepaper of previous regime which was ousted out in last assembly elections. The figures provided by you are indicating good scope of commission to the organisers. It has been one of the reasons why NRIS don't trust their own people in Bihar when it comes to investment.

You will see Bihar will develop now because there is lot of awareness and sincere efforts so please do not use your calculator too much. I would advise you to prepare yourself for the next election and with the MP fund you can implement your plans. I would also request you that Patna daily is a readers and writers forum doing a very nice and clean information link between all of us, so please do not make it a business shop here. Hope you will not misguide the readers and play with their emotions and finances for which we all will be thankful to you.

Instead of PatnaDaily, you should have put up a stall at Hyderabad during the Pravasi Bharti Niwas on Jan 16th-06, still not late you can put a banner at Patna Airport and Patna Junction to sell your plan but kindly let the readers of Patna daily be at peace and continue the tradition of honest views here. - Raj Sharma, Detroit, USA. – Jan. 27, 2006

This is a novel plan to rip off the Biharis living abroad in the name of development of Bihar. Someone is again trying to start another "GHOTALA" in the name of development of Bihar. I agree with some writers who also have expressed doubts about the " HOLY PLAN" of Mr. Ravi Pandey. - Arun Das, Montreal, Canada – Jan. 27, 2006

Please guys! Give Mr. Pandey some benefit of doubt. I think we are all jumping on to our conclusion based on our interpretation. The PLAN may be not that great and "Out of the Box". Let's not bombard Mr. Pandey on his intentions. His intentions could have been completely different and honest. He may be a bad communicator - who knows.

I thought it was an honest opinion and it was not an attempt on making another scam. The plan may have problems and seems like prepared in haste but that does not relay any message on intention.

Please be little patient when it comes to personal attack. - Roshan Kumar – Jan. 27, 2006

Its really pathetic selling a bogus plan by Mr. Pandey on the PatnaDaily.Com which is a information and news site for Global Biharis.

I am sure no one is ready to buy his plan to scam. PatnaDaily is such a clean intellectual website with not even one advertisement on its website to earn revenue and finding some author demanding money is disgraceful on PatnaDaily.Com . Mr. Pandey first do your own development and then plan to develop Bihar. I guess this discussion should end now with a majority of readers being against this bogus plan of Mr. Pandey who has wasted the time of everyone. - Upendra Srivastava, Singapore - Jan. 27, 2006

This is a prime example of why Bihar is where Bihar is today. We are all crooks so we see others as a crook too. 15 years of being raped and plundered by Lalu, Sadhu, Mishra and others, we don't want to trust even our own mothers anymore.

Agreed Mr. Pandey's plan was far from being thought-out as he claims ("doing my homework") but to call him a scamster shows the 'kenkra (crab) mentality' of the Biharis. - Bhushan - Jan. 27, 2006

I do not like idea of SC/ST/OBC. Since I am opposed to reservations in their present incarnation, I can not support this idea. It should be purely on the basis of the economic condition of the candidate. Also I want to clarify that the economic condition can't be determined on the basis of Gram Panchayat or Block, where you can get a certificate for 10 rupees.

I think the salaries and expenses are a bit unrealistic. Are you buying Super Computer for 40 thousand? If you convert the current price for a P4 computer from the US $400 into Indian rupees, it will be less than 20 thousand including 19" LCD screen. You do not need the brand new fastest computers to start a training center. You can start with a used one. Is there something this computer institute will offer that is not offered at the others that have mushroomed all over Bihar? - S. M. Khurshid Anwar, New York, USA - Jan. 27, 2006

Reading the article on Here is My plan definately shows someone is out for something and that something is not the development of Bihar but self development. Further more people like Mr Roshan and mr Bhushan has continued the tradition of debating the wrong cause for the wrong reasons. Mr Bhushans remarks that we dont trust our mothers and Kekra mentality is all his personal outlook and brainworks and it should be expunged from this forum for being far from decent. Where does Kekra and mothers come in this development plan??? - Vikas Yadav, Manchester UK - Jan. 27, 2006

Bhushanji first you do your homework before you comment. This is not a school classroom or a chai ka dukan where people talk anything. If the topic is meaningless it will get strong reactions from people specially when there is a call for Rs 10 lakhs. Bhushanji people will not read and pay Rs 10 Lakhs for a freak plan and hence the comments of some authors are justified and it has rightly been called a HOLY PLAN by someone in this forum. You first need to get rid of this Bihari mentality of believing that everything u do is right. There are others also who are seriously planning to invest in Bihar but on concrete plans, and no one has money to waste hence a heated discussion has taken place. Mr Bhushan wants all NRIs to give money blindly in the name of Bihar???

Mr Bhushan first clean the corruption then expect anything from anywhere. - Ranjan Prasad, Melbourne, Australia - Jan. 27, 2006

The general sentiment of the readers here is that Mr. Pandey in his plan has not been able to convince anyone of any actual development and hence we all interpret it as one more plan to rip off Biharis abroad. Mr. Roshan you are not making any sense except by endorsing people to wash their hands off from their hard earned money coz the plan is made in haste or its another scam which you are also not sure off. Its everyone duty here to check anyone from misguiding and duping. The comments of other readers are eye opener and we all cannot be confused by Mr. Roshan and Mr. Ravi Pandey. Confused people please stay away and let serious and factual discussions continue in PatnaDaily without any bias to anyone. - Vipin Singh,
Patna - Jan. 27, 2006

I am writing this comment not because I am frustrated by reading Pandey's ill conceived plan but because the other Biharis adding up their non-sense comments to his article. Let's please stop making PatnaDaily a 'Jootam-Paijaar' center. Pandey, I am sure you are an NRB (by looking at your home work style) and if you think that you have done your home work then move on. There are several state laws and plan that will help you kick off your project.

Few Tips: you should be aware that opening an educational institute is not a baby-game. You should have accreditations/affiliation to make sure the degree/certificate you will award to students will be accepted by others and they will not be simply considered a peace of fancy paper. You need a good Infrastructure for a computer center. Calculating furniture and computer cost will not help this dream come true. There are lot other factors you must chip in. Just for the factual awareness, you can have a very good computer in 12,000 Rs (no need to buy a Rs 29,000 one). You must consider about Electricity, Building, Commute for the students (because most of them will be poor, isn't it?).

I am sure CM and ACM of Bihar already has several such plans ready to be executed. Why not we just help Bihar government, as much as we can! - Naren - Jan. 27, 2006

I left Bihar at age of 13 and left India at age of 23. Now in USA for 10 years. No immediate family living in Bihar. A big house, lots of land in Bihar mostly used by lower class "Bataidar". So what? Does that mean I have no right to cheat Biharis? Is swindling and doing fraud in Bihar is a monopoly of Biharis living in Bihar? By having Bihari genes, don't I have any right to cheat Bihar and Biharis? And is PatnaDaily doing something wrong in giving me my rights?

I know I can never pay my mortgage (600K) by cheating Biharis, probably it will also not be possible to buy another BMW by cheating Biharis but few small items - Plasma TV, diamond ring for wife - is anything wrong if I get that using some cheating and that too while seating in air conditioned cabin? But in a unanimous verdict, by a common vigilante behaviour, you all refuted my intention. You all have stopped a sinister scam. You all have avoided another Chara Ghotala. Maan Gaye Aapki Parakhi Najar.

While writing this article I was worried that it may not get noticed. My well thought article "Social Justice Virus" which I wrote on New Year day got only 3 comments. I was hoping that at least I will get few people stir up and start thinking about. A small start but you know what? Even after being a hardcore Bihari all my life I could not even think of the fourth direction which each and every of my Bihar fellow honest brothers are seeing .

No I am not offended. A scam is caught before it got started. What is there to feel bad about?

Tejendra ji you don't have to file a case. I am coming to Patna this year in Nov. I can meet you at the airport or railway station and you can take me to jail directly. How I look? Go in jail and look for criminals. Look for pictures of chara ghotala accused. I look exactly like that. Don't get fooled if you find a young professional instead. Don't get fooled if I tell you that I was one of the Maharashtra topper in HSC and my BE. Don't get fooled if I tell you that I have a Master from a top US university and I have a genuine desire to help Bihar. Don't get fooled if I tell you that I have left my freelancing part time job to help spread of Hindi in a US city. Don't get fooled if I tell you that I have worked within my community (caste) and because of my effort 15 students in Bihar remote village are getting scholarships.

Ashotosh ji, you got it right also. Yes I had complete price list of Satyam and HCL in front of me and the price you see is nothing but real price plus my commission. You got it totally right. And yes I mentioned SC/ST/OBCs you know why because I am soon planning to leave my IT job here and go and contest an election in a Bihar and why will they vote for me if I don't give preference to them. You are 100 % right.

Dear Shashi Jha ji, I use to eat Biryani and pulao before while I was in India and now I am eating bread and salad. I have houses in 3 Indian cities and one in USA (of course all by money earned by similar scams). I just don't know what I can do more to develop me perhaps you can help me.

Arun Das ji , Raj Sharma ji, Upendra Srivastava ,Vikas Yadavji , Ranjan Prasad ji, Vipin Singh ji, I don't have time to comment and reply each of you as I am at work and I will to do some important scams today also but only I can say you are 100 % right .

Roshan ji, Bhushan ji, Bhanu Prakash ji, Ajay Kumar ji, S. M. Khurshid Anwar ji, Naren ji, I think you all got it totally wrong. You completely missed the whole picture and somehow in spite of all your education and experience completely failed in seeing through the haze. But don't worry your incapability will not hamper Bihar as you are in minority.

Well I am not going to say that I am not going to write again on PatnaDaily because read my article on New Year day. I have taken resolution that I will keep reading and writing at PatnaDaily. Well I don't have to worry because now you know my intention so you will be vigilant any way.

I have not read lot about Rabindranath Tagore neither I know Bengali much but one line I vaguely remember

"Jab Thode Daak sune keo na keo na aashe, Tobe ekla chalao re"
"ekla chalo ekla chalo ekla chalo re"

Well an article written for PatnaDaily when I was high on adrenaline I think has become my resolution. I have only become much more resolute and much more convinced that this is a noble idea otherwise why so many opposition. I can not promise a timeframe but I can assure you that one day I will open this institute and send you name and address on PatnaDaily. I think I will have a choice of not putting that name and address here but then how will I come to know behind all the conspiracy, all the evils and all the destruction and all my sinister ideas behind opening this.

I have only realized that I am a better person, as so many people are opposing and cursing me

"Uske dushman hain bahut wo aadmi achha hoga
"wo bhi meri tarah is sahar main tanha hoga" - Ravi Pandey - Jan. 27, 2005

Somebody said I "continued the tradition of debating the wrong cause for wrong reasons". I did not know my comment suggests "debate" from any angle!

There are people who don't miss a chance! - Roshan Kumar - Jan. 28, 2006

Mr. Vikas Yadav writes: "Further more people like Mr Roshan and mr Bhushan has continued the tradition of debating the wrong cause for the wrong reasons."

What are you talking about Mr. Yadav? What tradition? How many message from me have you seen in this forum. ONE in case you can't count. You call it "continuing the tradition?" I give up! Bhushan - Jan. 28, 2006

I am shocked to see the response of the 'intellectual' class. I sure did expect some of them to have doubts over the intention of the author, but never knew that they would express it in a manner so blunt and blatant. The author has just come up with an idea, he did not give an account number of a bank to anyone to deposit money into. The idea may not sound practical to many, and I am no exception to it. But, the questions should be raised over the proposal, not over the integrity of the proposer himself. Why did nobody suggest a better idea in his response? I feel so bad for the author.

Raviji, in response to your article "Doing what you can do for Bihar", I wrote, "It is my personal experience that getting people spend a few Rs for a benevolent cause is not so easy". It seems you did not believe me. I do not want to discourage you, but there are some other ways in which we can help our people without any dollar cost! Money is the simplest form of contribution. It is one time, and requires no further duties on part of contributor. Divide responsibility among them if you want them to show interest. The major reason for this attack against you is that they think it is only of your own interest, what would be their role other than signing a check off? And what is the scope? Is it just a computer literacy program? Another computer center in the Bihar capital?

Students of Bihar, I think, need just a little guidance and they can beat the world. Struggle is in their blood. The more they are challenged, the more they excel.
Many of us are experts in our respective fields. What will we do by keeping the knowledge within ourselves? Are we ready to spend some time off our weekend schedule to answer the students' queries? Can we write articles of their interest? Recently, some IITians arranged a workshop in Patna for the aspirant students, appearing in the JEE this year. Can't we do something similar with a little help from PatnaDaily? We can select a few prestigious institutes, which have internet connection, as part of this pilot program. If successful, we can expand it to the small towns.

Guys, the initial phase of the project does not require a single penny from our pocket, but let me see how many of us, who were vociferously complaining against the author, are ready to accomplish this. Come on, shout at me, ridicule this idea, question it's feasibility, or suggest the ways to implement it, or another better idea, but don't just keep mum. And if you do, then you have no moral right to call someone corrupt. Whenever your 'Bihari pride' gets hurt, come to this website, read some euphoric articles, and console yourself. Take a long breath, count 1 to 10, and let the feeling go away. - Kumod Jha - Jan. 28, 2005

I have sent a message that I would like to contribute USD 600 / year on the noble cause of Mr. Ravi Pandey , but that comment never was posted whereas lampoons and abuses were hurled at him.

I have never met Ravi Pandey and have for the first time read him had it been some other person with the same idea I would have liked to contribute, I had also said that since I am in Thailand my income is not at par with you technical guys in the USA but I would love to promote what Ravi has in his mind.

The people who have said that it is a scam , please one of the cynics prove that he has lost money by contributing for a noble cause?

It is all hearsay and figment of one's own wayward imagination.

I am with Ravi on this project and also my uncle who is retired PWD engineer will contribute by his teachings as he is a scholar in Mathematics and there is no mathematical problem which he cannot solve.

I will garner his support and he has many friends of his ilk who would voluntarily help.

The others who have vehemently opposed this , no remorse for them and no hard feelings.

Dear Ravi, please go ahead I will support you and that guy who will file a defamation suit let him also include my name in the respondent list but with proof or else I will file a counter suit against him. - Sanjay Gupta - Jan. 28, 2005

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