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Dear Reza Sami,
Well, I do agree with your points
but surely there is lot of truth in
what Ronkin Nasa has written. It
would have been better if you could
have given more credible references
rather than referring to someone's
blog, or The Hindu (or Frontline)
which is rabidly anti-BJP.
I only hope we have in our country
more and more Muslims who shares
your views. And certainly all
political parties whether based on
Hindus, Muslims or so called secular
or 'left', are self serving units of
vested interest.
For the peaceful and mutual
co-existence of human beings there
is a dire need to reinterpret all
the religious text and sacred
scripture in light of modern
thoughts, scientific knowledge and
rationality. We must remember that
all these text were written, to
bring a positive change in the human
life, suitable to the need and
condition, in consonance with the
ideas and knowledge of a particular
period in the human history. The
conditions have changed, new ideas
and knowledge have come up etc. So
there is need for assessing,
re-interpreting and retaining only
those parts compatible with present
environment, for the betterment of
humanity at large. And this should
be done by every individual, of what
so ever faith he/she may be and not
by religious institutions, which
again are mostly dominated by self
serving vested interests. - Ajeet
Kumar, Indore - Oct. 16, 2007
Reza,
Just wanted to let you know
something.
LITTE has nothing to do with Hindus
and Bajrang Dal is not a terrorist
organization. - Nitesh Ambuj -
Oct. 16, 2007
Great comments, we sure are on track
of progress. Our green color is
really showing the world that
Indians are different because of
their nationality and openness.
Let's move forward, lets not try to
demean Hinduism by faking up
terrorist organisations on name of
Hinduism. They have been acceptable
to everyone and this why they are
the oldest. This is where all other
non-Hindu fellow countrymen have to
discourage their fundamentalist
co-religion mates if stories of
hatred is being spread and
understand deep within, why Hinduism
is not related to terrorism. This
will help to get along with Hinduism
for a prosperous India.
Muslim terrorism is a menace but
let's not generalize it and at the
same time also think why no
terrorist organisation is Hindu
based. Some credible links:
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/37191.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_organisations
- Raj Hun - Oct. 17, 2007
Please don’t consider Hindu
festivals on the same lines of your
ones. After all Hinduism is deeply
rooted to India and only in India;
whereas your religion has domination
all over the world. You can
celebrate your festival at least in
50% of this globe, but we have only
this country Bharat to celebrate our
festivals. So, please don’t try to
snatch away our festivities (like
Holi) from its own root.
It pains us when jihadi mindsets try
to block Durga Puja celebrations in
“Mau”, Diwali in Aligarh, and Holi
in Banaras and rest of the
countries. I never have seen Bajrang
Dal bombing anyone. So, don’t try to
compare it with jihadi mindset who
bomb innocent civilians just to show
dominance of their religion.
Your mentioning that Muslims
constitute 11 to 13% of population
is absolutely wrong. This figure was
true few decades back, but now it is
22%. Christian 10%, neo-Christians
(i.e. Hindu names to benefit
reservations but Christian religion)
(15%), others Jew, Sikhs, Buddhists,
Jains, Hebrews) 8% , Hindus are
minority in Kerala, J&K, North East
and many districts of UP, Bihar &
WB. Overall Hindu population is
already in minority (45% around).
Government should take serious note
of it and come out with some
concrete plan to preserve ancient
religion from getting extinct.
Jihadi mindsets don’t want to live
in India because of their intolerant
attitude. The moment they accept the
fact that Hinduism is rooted and
glued in India, thus it should be
allowed to flourish; they will start
loving this country. Many have
realized it and involved themselves
with Indian culture and they love
staying here. But, those who burst
fire crackers on Pakistan’s win over
India could never digest the good of
India; but they can do a favor to
their motherland by leaving this
country and of course by not funding
disruptive elements. - Parshuram
- Oct. 17, 2007
Mr. Sami Reza,
Your desperate attempt to cover up
the real face of the Muslim world
and their well known mistreatment of
non-Muslims/women over the ages is
not an educated behavior on your
behalf. I agree with Mr. Albert and
Ronkin and they have brought up very
good points. The fact is that truth
hurts.
You sound like the president of Iran
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who also said
the world needs to be educated and
that the 9/11 was not caused by the
Muslim terrorists but by the Jews,
Americans; and that the Jew
Holocaust never happened as it was a
fabrication by Jews themselves.
Bluffing around wouldn’t work in
this day and age, no matter how hard
you try to make Muslim religion look
like a religion of peace.
Look at your Muslim world mentality
– First Muslims of the world
rejoiced and celebrated the attack
on the New York Trade Center, and
the destruction and killing of
innocent people. And when the
Muslims around the world got the bad
reputation then they started
bluffing (and so called educating
the world, like you are trying to
educate on this site) by saying that
9/11 was rather done by Americans
themselves, or done by Jews etc. In
Pakistan people on streets were
hugging each other and distributing
sweets after 9/11 killings.
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=8153_9-11_Celebrations_in_Britain
I have witnessed so called decent
educated Muslims in the west
cheering and praising the criminal
acts of Muslim hijackers of 9/11.
Now these same Muslims want to
educate others about how peaceful
the Islam is and that the 9/11 was
an act of Americans/Jews themselves,
and that every terrorist act of
Muslims in the world is someone
else’s fault.
Here are few sites for your own
education about your own Muslim
world that you are working so hard
to defend –
You should also read this book Why I
Am Not a Muslim by Ibn Warraq
(Prometheus, 1995)
http://www.muslimhope.com/IslamReligionOfPeace.htm
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/january7/1.32.html
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Hoaxes/salamislam.html
Problem is that the Quran teaches
violence and killings of human
beings – and teaches how to
terrorize non-Muslims. This is the
only religion that teaches killing
of human beings (and that is why
should this be called a religion?).
No decent religions of the world
ever teach terror and killings of
human beings for not following it.
No wonder many people were forced to
convert to it, and many did just out
of sheer fear. What type of animals
are we dealing with, and every
civilized people of the world
especially non Muslims must know
about what this book Quran teaches
and beware of its nefarious designs.
The Quran not only ordered the
killing of those who embraced Islam
and afterwards decided to renegade,
but also commanded the followers to
fight all nations until they either
believe in it, pay the Jizya or face
death:
"Fight those who believe not in
Allah nor the last day, nor hold
that forbidden which hath been
forbidden by Allah and his apostle
nor acknowledge the religion of
truth of the people of the Book (the
Jews and the Christians) until they
pay the Jizya with willing
submission and feel themselves
subdued. Surat At-Tauba 9:29"
And in the same Sura, verse 5, the
Quran also states:
"Fight and slay the pagans wherever
ye find them and seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie in wait for
them in every stratagem ..."
Quran is full of killing advice. How
do you explain these type of verses
in Quran – Mr. Reza Sami? It says
“fight those who believe not in
Allah..” and Hindus like Jews and
Christians don’t believe in Allah
and therefore Muslims continue to
commit terrorist criminal acts in
India (for hundreds of years) mainly
because it is directed against the
masses of Hindus and other
non-Muslims. Muslim terrorists keep
bombing Hindu temples and other
Hindu interests, and have tacit
support of most Muslim brothers as
they never speak out in public
against them or educate these
low-life terrorists.
Look at what a Muslim fundamentalist
government at the Taliban did to
non-Muslims in Afghanistan. All non
Muslims had to have a yellow flag on
their roof top so that other Muslims
would know where they live. After
having yellow flags on their roof
top to follow the dictates, the
local Muslims threw rocks on those
houses. Look what they did to Buddha
statues - tried to completely erase
it so that Muslims don't even get to
see it? They routinely stoned women
to death even if they suspected them
of stepping out of the so called
Islamic morality imposed by Quran.
Isn't that horrific? There are
endless well known examples of what
Quran drives their followers to do -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/archaeology/2001-03-22-afghan-buddhas.htm
I agree with Ronkin that these clown
politicians are enemies of Hindu
India as they don’t know what they
are doing. They put general peoples
interests on the back seat and
indulge unfairly in Muslim
appeasement for their vote bank. If
Hindus, Christians, Sikhs don’t
speak out against behavior of these
politicians then they will get to
live on the left over crumbs. If
non-Muslims don't want
Talibanization of India then they
should vote only for those parties
and leaders that don't indulge in
unfair appeasement.
Keep in Mind that Nitish Kumar, CM
of Bihar was not voted by Muslims in
the last election, as Muslims were
voting in masses for their favorite
leader Lalu Yadav in the last
election. Others mainly non-Muslims
brought Mr. Nitish Kumar in power.
Now when Nitish is in power, iftari
Muslim opportunists have been
hugging him to get favors – such as
blocking main roads in Patna to
offer Namaz – as if there are no
other places available in and around
Patna. I agree that Main roads are
also busy and blocked during Durga
puja but they are blocked by the
traffic, and not by people to offer
prayers in the middle of the road.
That is just ridiculous. Nitish
should be aware of backlash from
non-Muslims vote banks, and not
indulge in unfair, unjustified
appeasement policies and mentality.
Mr. Sami, if you are so keen on
educating Mr. Ronkin – why don’t you
go to your mosques, educate and
speak out against the Muslim
terrorists in public, mistreatment
of Muslim women in Muslim society??
But you would rather waste time
defending a lost cause of making
Islam look like a peaceful religion.
Even if you, Mr. Sami wanted to
educate your terrorist brothers, you
wouldn’t be able to speak out
against them in public – you know
why? - Because you are scared for
your own little life. Look at what
happened to Bangladeshi Author
Taslima Nasreen (poor lady) or
Salman Rushdie (a character in
himself who really didn’t know that
he can get into trouble for writing
what he wrote which has elements of
truth about Islam). These authors
continue to live in hiding because
they tried to educate others the
facts about Islam. Taslima Nasreen
wrote a book ('Lazza' - in Bengali,
later translated in English and
titled 'Shame") describing
mistreatment of Hindus and Muslim
women in Islamic Bangladesh and now
she has been running for her life
from one place to another, from so
called fellow Muslim brothers. That
is how Mr. Sami, you could be
treated if you spoke against the
Muslim terrorists in public.
I am providing some detail on this
book by Taslima Nasreen to get one
and read the mentality of Muslim
world –
Shame: A Novel (Hardcover)
by Taslima Nasarina
From Library Journal
In late 1992, a long-standing
animosity reached a crisis when
Hindu extremists destroyed a mosque
in Ayodhya, India. Enraged Muslims
responded with a protracted
persecution of Hindus throughout the
subcontinent. This work recounts
that campaign of retaliatory terror
as experienced by one Hindu family
in Bangladesh and particularly its
cynical, stubborn adult son,
Suranjan, whose sister Maya is
abducted and disappears in the
near-chaos. The 1993 Bengali
publication of Shame caused great
controversy and resulted in a fatwa,
or holy judgment, against author
Nasrin, a Bengali of Muslim
background. A seething indictment of
oppression and religious
fundamentalism couched precariously
as a novel, this important work is
impassioned but difficult to read.
More reportage and protest than
story, it is recommended more for
its historic than its literary
value.
Now doesn't the image of Islam as a
religion of peace sound, after all,
a little bit hard to believe? ...
Besides Quran, there is no religion
in this world that teaches terrorism
and killings in such a graphic
detail.
When Mr. Sami compares other
fundamentalist groups with Islamic
terrorists – there is no comparison.
Islamic terrorism arises from
religious tenets and dictates, but
that is not the case with others.
Hindu, Christian, Sikhs way of life
doesn’t teach to kill others even if
they do not belong to their
religion, but that is not true about
Muslim religious teachings. May be
the iftari politicians of
Bihar/India with clown caps should
be educated about what really Islam
is all about and what are they
really fooling around with. I really
feel sorry for Hindus who were
forcibly or otherwise converted to
Islam.
Getting back to NRI funding in email
by Mr. Albert and Mr. Ronkin –
I agree with Mr. Ronkin and Mr.
Albert regarding NRI funding – it is
true that these clown leaders do not
go to Muslim NRIs or local Muslims
for raising funds, but rather they
go to Non-Muslim NRIs to raise funds
or investment for development of
Bihar. However, in Bihar they
unfairly block roads for mass
prayers to appease Muslims vote
bank. Next time, Nitish government
may allow your roof to be used for
Muslim prayers. That is a problem
that Hindus/Christians/Sikhs need to
watch out for themselves also. That
is why Lalu Yadav never got a penny
from NRIs, and Nitish might lose NRI
funding too if he is being
ridiculously servile for vote bank
of Muslims.
Regarding other points –
I read the questions posed by Mr.
Ronkin, and answers provided by Mr.
Sami Reza, I am not sure, Mr. Sami
Reza if you can read English, or you
just wanted to evade the question
asked from you by Mr. Ronkin in the
prior email (excerpt below) -
“I would ask Mr. Reza to send some
links (or any link) where a Muslim
country lights their national
buildings (like in New York) or
blocks main roads like in Patna, to
honor Hindu religion, or Sikh
religion or even Christian religion
with the same fervor, and do similar
acts to honor other religions of the
world.”
Mr. Sami Reza – Have you been
educated about what is called an
equal comparison??
For example, Mr. Bush held Iftar
dinner in White House – an equal
comparison will be that Iran
President or Bangladeshi PM held
Christmas dinner in his White or
Black House. Can you send a link
something like that (don’t just send
a church being lighted up in
Pakistan or Bangladesh – that will
not be an equal comparison).
Another example is - Hindu CMs/PMs
etc. hugging Muslims during Iftar
with clown Muslim caps – an equal
comparison will be Muslim
President/Governors/MPs of Pakistan,
Bangladesh hugging Hindu masses
during Diwali festival or Durga Puja
in Dhoti/Kurta with Chandan on their
forehead; or Muslim so-called
leaders hugging Sikh masses with
turban on their head; or Christian
masses with cross on their chest
during their festivals in their own
countries. That's what you, Mr. Sami
Reza, were asked to provide links
for – but you provided some trivial
links of Durga Puja celebration in
Bangladesh, and lighting of a church
in Pakistan (Wow, that was big
shocking news, for Muslims).
Mr. Sami Reza, you miserably failed
to provide even one link of equal
comparison. That is what the problem
is. The known fact is that Muslims
don’t treat non-Muslims the same way
as they want to be treated by
others. And if others treated
Muslims the same way they (Muslims)
treat others then Muslims would have
been history long ago.
I feel sorry for my countrymen who
long ago were converted to this kind
Muslim religion, by force or by
trick, or otherwise. It is not too
late for our Muslim countrymen to
reconsider and educate themselves
about other non-violent religions,
except that Quran orders killing of
those who embraced Islam and
afterwards decided to renegade. Mr.
Sami Reza, and for countrymen like
you, in my opinion, now you are just
stuck in a rut. May Iftari clowns
help you!
One more thing for you to think
about - Mr. Sami Reza, you know in
your own heart and in your mind (no
matter how much cover up you do)
that a non-Muslim
country/culture/religion is a far
better world, a better way of life –
that is why Bangladeshi, Pakistani
Muslims come to a Non-Muslim India
illegally, because their own Muslim
nation with Quran only, couldn’t
help them survive. That is why you
are living in USA, and not in
Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or
many other Muslim countries that you
could have possibly gone to if you
really liked the Muslim way of life.
- Ashok Nagar - Oct. 17, 2007
Extract from the US State Department
Report on Religious freedom. Check
out the full report here.
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2003/24470.htm
"The trial of Dara Singh, a member
of the Hindu extremist group Bajrang
Dal, for the killing of Australian
missionary Graham Staines and his
two young children was still ongoing
as of the end of the period covered
by this report. The trial was being
prosecuted by the Central Bureau of
Investigation, rather than by local
prosecutors. Allegations that the
CBI bribed defense witnesses
prompted the state's high court to
recall 22 of the 55 witnesses"
Also check out the the statistics on
the religious make up of India given
in the report.
To Mr Parshuram ....
>Please don't consider Hindu
festivals on the same lines of your
ones. After all Hinduism is deeply
rooted to India and only in India;
whereas your religion has domination
all over the world. You can
celebrate your festival at least in
50% of this globe, but we have only
this country Bharat to celebrate our
festivals. So, please don't try to
snatch away our festivities (like
Holi) from its own root.<
I disagree. Hinduism is everywhere
with large expatriate Hindu
populations allover the world. Nepal
is officially a Hindu state (despite
a Left wing government). Mauritius
is a predominantly Hindu country.
Islam does not dominate all over the
world. There is a vibrant Hindu
community in Indonesia celebrating
it own festivities such as Galungan.
http://www.indo.com/indonesia/news98.html.
Diwali is celebrated all over the
world:
http://www.diwalifestival.org/diwali-in-indonesia.html
Violence during religious festivals
is common in India and is
perpetrated by communal elements on
both sides. We should be a little
less assertive in observing
festivals and be conscious of the
fact that we do not offend or
inconvenience others. I acknowledge
that India has much further to go
down this road. Perhaps a good role
model for India would be Indonesia
where Hindu and Muslim festivals are
observed peacefully. - Reza Sami
- Oct. 18, 2007
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